In this revealing, 19 min. podcast, Chuck Carlson and members of WHTT discuss the cases of Hisham and Mounis, Palestinians from Gaza, who are seeking asylum in the United States, not by illegal immigration, but by turning themselves into ICE (Immigragtion & Customs Enforcement) at the Mexico/Arizona border. They have been held in an ICE detention center in Florence, AZ for over a year because Palestine is not recognized as a country by the United States (they are considered stateless people), even though Palestine is by 134 other countries around the world (see here). A discussion about the broader issues of refugees and immigration and the culpability of the United States is included. For background stories on Hisham and Mounis see here & here. Also, for background info on the US overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Guatemala mentioned in the podcast, see here & here.